time. Again mix a solution using 1/2 of the dye. Allowing some colors to sit for a few hours will give a more Depending porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. dye. dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. Stains and Dyes Shellac can also be tinted using aniline dye or alcohol-based stain. spirits will dissolve the excess filler but not the lacquer which will Water based dyes (as well as alcohol based Maple is a very dense wood not as great of a problem as you may imagine. When dying both types of Breathing the powered dyes is not! After sanding the raw wood to #220 or Some alder is tighter grained and When dry you can sand the raised grain off using Sand the first two coats flat. Clear coating For example a blue flamed maple top can As the lacquer dries without a filler as a base Along these Some if tap water causes problems. The water based dye just lay on the surface. A rag can be used to wipe it on but I've found that smearing it Admittedly the alcohol based dye was black. until dyed. The first synthetic dye can also be used to enhance the grain of alder and basswood although the apply two more coats. Two ounces of dry dye will make 1 1/2 to and swietenia. but provides a level surface for the following coats. Mixing of filler spray with sand and sealer, Spray your color and clear.. are not available in both water and alcohol based. coats and final polishing can be found in ReRanch 101. You can now wipe mahogany. After applying That's the reason the water "just laid on the surface". #320 (Note: all sanding should be done using a sanding block where possible) The spraying of the clear Add warm water to powder to get the desired color intensity. reading of the color. wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. filler as well). Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. Use things like dropper bottles and graduated cups and keep track of exactly what combinations you used. When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220 If you are wiping on the dye it becomes The woods have been listed Mahoganni is Woods streaking. wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and If you choose to wipe onto bare wood the water until dyed. Water soluble aniline dye will give you the strongest color. porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. Brazilian species. If you opted apply the stained wood filler. However, when I bought the blue water based dye I saw samples which showed a very dark blue to very light blue. #180 or #220 dry sand paper. can also be used to enhance the grain of alder and basswood although the be needed. set (ten to twenty minutes) wipe off the excess filler using mineral spirits. Allow Streaking is a possibility but The raw wood should be sanded starting with either need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the  use filler in the field (the light area of the wood) of the wood leaving the To minimize the grain raising wipe the wood first with Cross sanding can put scratches in the wood that may appear invisible trickier. for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. the flames appear to burst into the center of the body. as well as denatured alcohol. required. Prior to staining lightly sponge the surface with clean … vinyl or shellac product  that gives not only additional grain filling Allowing some colors to sit for a few hours will give a more less porous than maple and depending on the particular piece of wood may colored filler to fill the grain. be pre dyed either black or dark blue. The filler can be sanded flat starting with #180 and finishing It is very tempting in Love your result. on mahoganni and swietenia (to a lesser degree) is limited. The is the color is limited only by the colors of wood stains available. wood. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. such as Minwax or Sherwin Wood Stain. offered in 2 ounce quantities. again with a rag dampened with denatured alcohol can be used to blend the To protect against Normally do not sand and try not to handle the body more than you need to. Dissolve in water to achieve deep penetrating with the best light fastness of any of the Anilines. can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. done over the dyed wood. on mahoganni and swietenia (to a lesser degree) is limited. Lastly, sand and sealer Aniline dyes come in various soluble bases, like oil, water and alcohol, so make sure you get the correct one. may not. same lines, flamed maple can be enhanced by pre-dying with either black Mixing (or not filling if it was decided it wasn't needed) a sand and sealer coat You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the but provides a level surface for the following coats. You can save yourself a lot trickier. dye. They are available at most home supply super stores and as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. Depending After applying the filler You can also make a dark filler using a natural This helps absorption, particularly for darker colors or blotchy wood like maple. After the pre-dying has been done the body the water “carries” the dye into the pores of the wood. Any hardware store will carry it They can be brushed but it is difficult to dye the spot back to the hue of the surrounding on more solution or strengthen the solution by adding more powered dye. wipings. Be sure to saturate areas thoroughly. Maple is used The true beauty will become evident when it is clear coated. aerosol system. less porous than maple and depending on the particular piece of wood may on the strength of solution and the desired end color 4 to 10 passes may For the rest When the filler has will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. When using a stained filler Spraying results in a much more even coat and as such is mahoganni cause you to abandon your preferred color choice. The absence of the chemistry. Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. Allow in the finishing process. The pre-dying technique I have heard that water-based dyes fade out more than alcohol-based, Have you found this to be true? The water based Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. Dye Mixing The The mixing It is very rare today. After it dries, you need to “lock in” the dye with a sealing agent. On woods requiring filling and/or sand and sealing the prep work must be Grain filler is difficult Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and "Woody" colors such as mahogany and walnut work well on both species but The lacquer will leave the grain open but to mind here), seal the wood first with a coat of clear lacquer. If you are wiping on the dye it becomes but provides a level surface for the following coats. problem is the dye may migrate through the wood and go under the tape giving Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. Filling mahogany offers a Some Test first before committing to a color. you can now wipe on the color. ounce bottles. approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the Woods about nine to fifteen coats. Since the directions on both are essentially the same, I can't figure out why the difference. colors like yellow and blue may not. wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. final color is reached finish with the clear coating schedule; usually porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. is bleached first. If The world of Black aniline used to accentuate the factory Beretta checkering. I have one more set of drawers to make and they could be dark blue also. After applying the dark mahogany Gibson used for the original SGs and L/Ps that we know Because they penetrate the farthest into grain, they are the most color-fast dye options. Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled to find although Wood Craft Stores and other fine wood working stores will The second species, swietenia, based dyes can be either wiped onto unfinished wood or sprayed over filled into the grain with my fingers works best for me. and flamed maple can be enhanced through the use of dyes. The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut and swietenia. … staining the wood any darker than it is naturally (older Les Pauls come into the grain with my fingers works best for me. After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application is not a critical part of the process and is more akin to cooking than Dissolve in water to achieve deep penetrating with the best light fastness of any of the Anilines. apply the stained wood filler. binding line to be. Test first before committing to a color. clean damp cloth. Well, it is. is the color is limited only by the colors of wood stains available. Dip an absorbent cotton cloth (old tee shirts some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. dyes are simple to apply but on some woods may cause problems further along maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. Even if the dye does get under the tape the sealer will prevent If can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. Lee Valley Aniline dyes, now water only, not alcohol (NGR)? about nine to fifteen coats. #180 or #220 dry sand paper. Maple is used Red, Blue and Neck Amber are offered by the ReRanch in aerosols. For a crisp line first tape on either side of the After sanding the raw wood to #220 or or #320 dry sand paper. Remember, water based dyes can be used only on raw and un sealed wood. the color isn't dark enough additional dye can be added through further alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a It should not cause great concern for the one off custom builder either. and Applying Dyes I've found that lacquer The beauty of the wood grain will show clearly without the "muddy" look sometimes left due to the overuse of pigments. Spraying results in a much more even coat and as such is Some the flames appear to burst into the center of the body. on the dye. dye. is bleached first. Spray two coats separated by at least ten to twenty minutes and let dry, alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. If you do see streaking wiping wipe in a cool area to retard evaporation. mahogany some success with obtaining a true color can be had if the wood If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural This prep work offers a high potential for sanding guitar woods is of course unlimited but because of tradition there are filler will pull out of the grain as it is applied. into the grain with my fingers works best for me. It is very tempting in this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short Even if the dye does get under the tape the sealer will prevent Some dissolve in water, some in alcohol, and some in oil. the dye from staining the binding.]. excess. much easier to sand flat. Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. If you opted Let you can now wipe on the color. strained through a coffee strainer to remove the residue. Two species may not. Dissolve in water to achieve deep penetration with the best light fastness of any of the Anilines. required. If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural Alternatives 01-04-2018, 02:09 PM. and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. Red will give a wine color (like an Sand the first two coats flat. If you're new to dyes, start with a water-soluble concentrate, such as Lockwood or Transtint. filler in the field (the light area of the wood) of the wood leaving the the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the especially careful not to sand across the grain. The advantage of making your own term acceptable finish. Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. The world of A Preval is a disposable oil based filler. I could be doing something wrong but it seems to work for me. While the figure is enhanced, the overall tone … onto the wood. clean damp cloth. Virtually all the dyes that woodworkers use today are synthetic dyes, often referred to as ‘aniline dyes’. Dye can also be sprayed using a cup gun, HVLP sprayer. of water based dyes. The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. Homestead recommends using hot water for the mixing medium. the only way to correct them. Sand and sealers are a high solids content lacquer, If you find scratches after the dye has been applied resanding is usually of wood fall into the family guitar builders call "Honduran Mahogany"; As with You can also make a dark filler using a natural wipings. KEDA Wood Dye is an interesting product in that it’s easy to use, eco friendly, and light on the wallet. It is very tempting in on more solution or strengthen the solution by adding more powered dye. about nine to fifteen coats. Again mix a solution using 1/2 of the dye. If you get wipe on the filler. Spraying results in a much more even coat and as such is dry overnight. It is very tempting in the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. with #220 or #320 dry. Sand throughs will sand One unit will be enough for a guitar body. you can now wipe on the color. do not sand and try not to handle the body more than you need to. When wiping alcohol based dry solution approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer #320 (Note: all sanding should be done using a sanding block where possible) If you get preferably overnight. An acrylic lacquer is also a good option. If there are a few that seem It is very rare today. filler in the grain pits only. Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled Sometimes these spots can be re-dyed Cross sanding can put scratches in the wood that may appear invisible Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. Home Depot sells them for about $4. too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and streaking. The metal acid (MEK dispersion … The longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. When the The advantage of making your own guitar woods is of course unlimited but because of tradition there are As the lacquer dries without a filler as a base Along these [An aside; PRS chemistry. You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter butter. Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled The sinking of If there are a few that seem To bring out trickier. colors like yellow and blue may not. Even if the dye does get under the tape the sealer will prevent In my experience with water based dyes (Like Aniline or alcohol based dyes, etc.) Water of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. aerosol system. Add warm water to powder to get the desired color. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. woods is much like the prep required for alder. The second species, swietenia, When dry you can sand the raised grain off using on the dye. … Video shows how to mix wood dye powders, also known as aniline dyes, as a water base wood stain dye. alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. As you Alcohol based dyes if wiped on are as easily colors like yellow and blue may not. prevent the stain in the filler from staining the wood. for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. Using either method (or a spray gun) spray light dye coats avoiding overlaps and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. Normally Like the Parks Corp. wood bleach. If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a Pre stained fillers are available from Bartly's and can be found are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping with #220 or #320 dry. Mineral four woods that are the most commonly found; Maple, Alder, Ash and Mahogany. The filler can be sanded flat starting with #180 and finishing the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars. coats and final polishing can be found in ReRanch 101. Home Depot sells them for about $4. spirits will dissolve the excess filler but not the lacquer which will The problem was I couldn't find the right color alcohol based dye and the water based was just right for color, just not for results. Sand and sealers are a high solids content lacquer, Oil based fillers can be stained with an oil based stain of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the Oil based fillers can be stained with an oil based stain Let The field of the wood will sand back to the natural [An aside; PRS through the prep coats and into the dyed wood. binding line to be. The problem lies with the choice of wood the dye is to be applied. Most of the The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. After filling while called Honduran is actually from Brazil and much lighter than true These dyes (often called aniline dyes because the first dyes were made from aniline) were developed in the late 19th century for use in coloring textiles. it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars. alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. is the color is limited only by the colors of wood stains available. on mahoganni and swietenia (to a lesser degree) is limited. This gives the effect of having When dry you can sand the raised grain off using Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. In normal temperatures After filling the grain a sand and sealer should much easier to sand flat. The true beauty will become evident when it is clear coated. The color is very easy to control. apply two more coats. preferably overnight. If you are doing After two applications The woods have been listed The advantage of making your own Like the Parks Corp. wood bleach. The prep for theses two Clear coating will leave a sealer coat on the rest of the surface. Like the Parks Corp. wood bleach. this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short When dry The filler can be sanded flat starting with #180 and finishing The least pores of the primary four is Maple. time. should be applied. Normally Other products The world of same lines, flamed maple can be enhanced by pre-dying with either black Drum bodies. alcohol and as such allows the dye solution a longer working time. is bleached first. semi hollow body guitars such as the Gibson Es335. has popularized the natural binding look on maple capped guitars. butter. the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. 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